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#  Jan 21, 2010 at 11:42 PM
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 MetalLight
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I wonder if anyone knows why I would experience slow down in both TF2 and Borderlands (and probably other games) if I play them shortly (2-5 mins) after i start up my computer?  I wonder if it could be windows updater, and if so, how do I stop the dumb thing from starting every time I start my computer?  Also, generally I only have TF2 open, not chrome and notepad.  I also close out of the java platform library and google updater to see if it speeds things up, but that doesnt help.  The problem will generally go away if I restart the offending game.  Any ideas?  If you need clarification at all, just ask!
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System Information
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Time of this report: 1/21/2010, 21:36:07
       Machine name: LEGAIA
   Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64-bit (6.1, Build 7600) (7600.win7_rtm.090713-1255)
           Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
System Manufacturer: Apple Inc.
       System Model: MacBookPro5,5
               BIOS: Default System BIOS
          Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     P8700  @ 2.53GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.5GHz
             Memory: 4096MB RAM
Available OS Memory: 3814MB RAM
          Page File: 1937MB used, 5690MB available
        Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
DX Setup Parameters: Not found
   User DPI Setting: Using System DPI
 System DPI Setting: 96 DPI (100 percent)
    DWM DPI Scaling: Disabled
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        Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
        Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
          Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectDraw:  0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay:  0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
DirectShow:  0/6 (retail)

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     Display Memory: 1890 MB
   Dedicated Memory: 239 MB
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        Output Type: Internal
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#  Jan 23, 2010 at 2:13 PM
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 Hellblazer
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Sounds like you got too much going on while you're booting up. How many processes do you have running? Open up the task manager (Ctrl+Alt+Del) to find out. If you have more than 60, you should use msconfig to remove some unnecessary processes.
If that doesn't work, just boot up your computer 5 minutes earlier
#  Jan 23, 2010 at 5:28 PM
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 MetalLight
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Lol I was thinking that might be it too, but...well, I just started up, let me list what i have in my task manager atm
chrome.exe*32
chrome.exe*32
explorer.exe
steam.exe*32
dwm.exe
nvvsvc.exe
bootcamp.exe
winlogon.exe
tskmgr.exe
taskhost.exe
csrss.exe
jusched.exe*32
googlcrashhandler.exe*32

Also generally I wont have either of the chrome.exes open and I'll close the jusched.exe and googlecrashhandler.exe using the task manager BEFORE i start steam.  Although I'm starting to suspect that Windows Updater is the culprit >.<.  Does that sound reasonable?

Also, does anyone know what the nvvsvc.exe and csrss.exes are for?  I've tried closing them but I'm told 'access is denied'.

Oh, and real quick, I thought I'd throw in that since i typed out the task list, windows update has popped up in there as well, under wuauclt.exe (either that or wuaudt.exe, cant tell if its a cl or a d).
#  Jan 23, 2010 at 6:06 PM
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 xHassassin
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You have too many programs set to run on windows startup, so your entire system is going to be a clusterflick of snails for the first few minutes after booting. Use startup manager to get rid of some superfluous programs.
Oh and turn off automatic updates. So effing annoying.
Why do you have windows update if you're using a macbook?
#  Jan 24, 2010 at 1:42 AM
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Oh and turn off automatic updates. So effing annoying.

Very bad idea. Do NOT do this. Windows Update is smart in Windows 7, it wont update when a program is running in full-screen. Plus, especially with a new OS, updates are key to getting the system stabilized.

Why do you have windows update if you're using a macbook?

Because hes running Windows? lol.
#  Jan 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MetalLight
Lol I was thinking that might be it too, but...well, I just started up, let me list what i have in my task manager atm
chrome.exe*32
chrome.exe*32
explorer.exe
steam.exe*32
dwm.exe
nvvsvc.exe
bootcamp.exe
winlogon.exe
tskmgr.exe
taskhost.exe
csrss.exe
jusched.exe*32
googlcrashhandler.exe*32

Also generally I wont have either of the chrome.exes open and I'll close the jusched.exe and googlecrashhandler.exe using the task manager BEFORE i start steam.  Although I'm starting to suspect that Windows Updater is the culprit >.<.  Does that sound reasonable?

Also, does anyone know what the nvvsvc.exe and csrss.exes are for?  I've tried closing them but I'm told 'access is denied'.

Oh, and real quick, I thought I'd throw in that since i typed out the task list, windows update has popped up in there as well, under wuauclt.exe (either that or wuaudt.exe, cant tell if its a cl or a d).
you should show us the system processes by pushing the "show processes from all users" button.
#  Jan 24, 2010 at 12:23 PM
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 xHassassin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hellblazer
Oh and turn off automatic updates. So effing annoying.

Very bad idea. Do NOT do this. Windows Update is smart in Windows 7, it wont update when a program is running in full-screen. Plus, especially with a new OS, updates are key to getting the system stabilized.

Why do you have windows update if you're using a macbook?

Because hes running Windows? lol.
You buy a macbook to run windows on it? 

#  Jan 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM
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 Hellblazer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xHassassin

You buy a macbook to run windows on it? 


Windows is sorta a requirement to run TF2.
#  Jan 24, 2010 at 6:47 PM
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 MetalLight
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I use windows for the games, mostly.  And a bit for school (not many schools out there teach programming for macs, especially when preparing you for game design).
As for that process list....my goodness there are a lot.  I have just booted up so hopefully anything and everything that could be causing this will show up.  This could take a while to type out >.<  here goes, though

AppleOSSMgr.exe System
AppleTimeSrv.exe System
audiodg.exe Local Service
Bootcamp.exe Me
chrome.exe*32 Me
chrome.exe*32 Me
conhost.exe System
csrss.exe System
dwm.exe Me
explorer.exe Me
googleCrashHandler.exe*32Me
jusched.exe*32 Me
lsass.exe System
lsm.exe System
nvvsvc.exe System Two of these
rundll32.exe Me
SearchIndexer.exe System
services.exe System
smss.exe System
spoolsv.exe System
sppsvc.exe Network Service
sqlbrowser.exe*32 Network Service
sqlservr.exe*32 Network Service
sqlwriter.exe System
Steam.exe*32 Me
SteamService.exe*32 System
svchost.exe Network Service 12 of these - 2 Network, 3 System, 7 Local
System System
System Idle Process System
taskhost.exe Local and Me 2 of these
taskmgr.exe Me
wininit.exe System
winlogon.exe System
wlanext.exe System
wmiPrvSE.exe System
smpnetwk.exe Network Service
WUDFHost.exe Local Service

Note that this list is from my task manager and after clicking the 'show processes from all users' button.

@Hellblazer - i did end up turning windows update on, if only temporarily.  But even on windows 7, it still seems to be checking for updates when i have tf2 open (in full screen, i might add), so i guess it could be a bug or something...i dont know, im not used to all this crap windows is making me do >.< lol.

Also, you mentioned msconfig and xHassasin, you mentioned the startup manager.  Are they one and the same, or different?  How do I go about using them?  This is the first time I've used windows on my own computer, so any help would be appreciated.
#  Jan 24, 2010 at 7:30 PM
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 xHassassin
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Not sure if windows has one built in. I use TuneUp Utilities, great program, and they have one in there.
If you want a free alternative this looks promising: http://startupmanager.org/
Another way to speed things up is go to Taskmanager -> services.
Google each service to find out what it's about. If you think it's superfluous, disable it.
The only processes you should be ending are your own. Don't try to mess with system ones.
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